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WNP514 - Koshland House

Nicole: [00:00:00] It's Outside Lands San Francisco, podcast of Western Neighborhoods Project. Your weekly dose of friendly neighborhood history.

And hello Outside Landers, I, of course, am your host Nicole Meldahl.

Arnold: And, as always, I am your co-host Arnold Woods.

Nicole: I guess not always.

Arnold: That's true.

Nicole: I'm always here for better or for worse. It's just a rotating cast of characters around me.

Arnold: So how about, and as I am usually, most of the time, your co-host Arnold Woods?

Nicole: Yes, that, that's perfect. That is historically accurate. Arnold. And you know, since you're with us today and since this is an Arnold Woods-researched podcast, you know, get ready for some international time traveler, traveling listeners. I [00:01:00] am metaphorically wearing a beret, especially for this episode, because this week Arnold is taking us all to France. Because did you know that there is not only one, but two high profile replicas of French buildings on the West side?

Arnold: That's right, and perhaps the most visible replica is the California Palace of the Legion of Honor in Lincoln Park, which is a replica of the French Pavilion at the 1915 Panama Pacific International Exposition. The PPIE building was in turn, a three-quarter scale version of the Palais de la Legion d’Honneur in Paris that was constructed in the 1780s and designed by French architect Pierre Rousseau. Now that I think about it, is he any, any relation to the Rousseau brothers here in San Francisco?

Nicole: I dunno. Please do research for us and let us know, listeners.

Arnold: Probably not. But anyways, we did a podcast about our Legion of Honor back in episode 220. [00:02:00]

Nicole: The second less visible replica is found in the Presidio Heights neighborhood at 3800 Washington Street, the intersection of Maple Street as well. People generally call it the Koshland House after its original owner, but its nickname is Le Petit Trianon because it's nearly an exact replica of Le Petit Trianon at the Palace of Versaille,. Louis the 14^th’s royal residence just outside of Paris.

Arnold: So why do we have another replica of a French building in the Outside Lands? The simple answer is that one of San Francisco's pioneering Jewish families, the Koshlands, built the home. But this is no simple podcast friends. The story of Le Petit Trianon is basically the story of powerful women, both in France and in San Francisco. Which is why we're gonna take you to Versailles to start our journey.

Nicole: Should I do the rest of the podcast in a terrible French accent?

Arnold: We’d probably get complaints about [00:03:00] that.

Nicole: I can see, I can see Chelsea shaking her head.

Arnold: My French accent is terrible too, even though I did take three years of French in high school.

Nicole: I too took three years of French in high school. Maybe this is the one podcast, Arnold, where we have a fighting chance of pronouncing things correctly.

Arnold: I a 100% think that won't be true.

Nicole: Oh gosh. Oh Lord. Help us all. Okay, so the Palace of Versailles, we know it today is about 12 miles west of Paris and was built by Louis the 14^th, aka, the Sun King, to be his royal residence as we told you, just seconds ago. His father, Louis the 13th, had built a small country residence and hunting lodge on the site in 1623, but that was far from the grand structure his son would replace it with. I don't know if you know this, but Louis the 14th, loved opulence. That is the Cliff Notes version of his story. Anywhosit. After a hunting trip in Versailles [00:04:00] in 1651, Louis the 14th became enamored with the property and started renovations in 1661, a process that basically lasted the rest of his life until his death in 1715.

Arnold: And among the many buildings that Louis built on the grounds was a chateau called the Grand Trianon with a park around it. After the Sun King's death, his son Louis the 15th, made further modifications to the palace just like his father. Also, just like his father and frankly, like most kings, Louis the 15^th…

Nicole: Like most rich men.

Arnold: Louis the 15th had a mistress. Her name was Jeanne Antoinette Poisson, commonly known as Madame de Pompadour. For her, Louis built a smaller chateau in the Grand Trianon’s Park and called it Le Petit Trianon.

Nicole: I mean, what a nice gesture. So architect, oh boy, [00:05:00] Ange-Jacques Gabriel, who had previously designed the Place de la Concorde, a huge public square in Paris, and the Ecole Militaire, France’s first military academy, was hired for the job. Construction on the Petit Trianon started in 1762 and was completed six years later, designed in the French Neoclassical style that became the dominant architecture style in France from about 1760 to 1830. It's now considered to be Gabriel's masterpiece.

Arnold: And sadly, Madame de Pompadour died before Le Petit Trianon was completed. But worry not, Louis simply moved on to his next official mistress, Madame du Berry, and he moved her into the building. So, everything had a happy ending. Well, maybe not so much. As many of you probably know, Louis the 16^th ascended to the throne after the death of his father in 1774 and soon thereafter, the Petit Trianon’s most famous [00:06:00] resident moved in, which was Louis the 16^th’s wife, Marie Antoinette.

Nicole: I have some friends who might argue about her being the most famous resident. But you can imagine what happened to the building after the French Revolution. Am I right? Le Petit Trianon fell into disrepair. The furniture and art and other valuable items inside were auctioned off. After Napoleon became emperor, he used Versailles as a summer home—very casual Napoleon—and gave Le Petit Trianon to his sister Pauline, who was personally the most interesting Napoleon storyline for me. But that's another story. She made extensive repairs and restored it to its former glory. And today you can visit it at Versailles, which I have done. And also…

Arnold: So have I.

Nicole: Yeah. See, because we took French in high school, right?

Arnold: Well and I, when I did my Europe trip back in 1990, I actually visited Versailles on my birthday that year. It's a nice birthday present.

Nicole: I, we rented bikes and went all [00:07:00] around Versailles, now we're just talking about our vacations, but I can't really ride a bike. Fun fact about Nicole, I have no natural center of balance. So can't ride a bike, can't surf, can't skateboard. Don't put me in like ice skates, tried to be an ice skater. Anyways, a group of young French boys literally had to push me up a hill while on a bike on the grounds of Versailles. Anyways, young French boys if you're listening to this, thank you. That was very helpful. Anywhosit. I sincerely hope the remodeling, you know, Pauline's remodeling of Le Petit Trianon is like a dominant trope of Ridley Scott's upcoming film about Napoleon. Do you think it will be?

Arnold: Doubtful.

Nicole: Well, we'll see.

Arnold: Ridley Scott is very much an action oriented, war thing type director.

Nicole: What's not actionable about renovation? That's what HGTV [00:08:00] is based on.

Arnold: Well, if it was financed by HGTV, maybe. Anyway, let's bring this all back to San Francisco.

Nicole: Okay, yes. Let's.

Arnold: In 1850, the Bavarian-born Simon Koshland and his older brother immigrated to Sacramento, and there they opened a general merchandise store. However, when the great flood of 1862 caused a fire that burned down their store, the Koshland brothers moved to San Francisco and opened a wool company that they called the Koshland Brothers. It was initially located at 307 Sacramento Street. And later the company became Koshland and Sons and was run by Simon and his oldest son, Joseph. It became one of the leading wool companies in the whole United States.

Nicole: While in Sacramento, Simon had married Rosina Franenthal and the couple had eight children. Now, Simon was a successful businessman, but his children and [00:09:00] grandchildren really upped the ante by marrying into a number of other very wealthy San Francisco families. So, bear with us here while we blow through a wild amount of San Francisco genealogy here.

Arnold: So, we start with Simon and Rosina's daughter Fannie. She married Abraham Haas. That's a name that might be familiar to some of you. Abraham had founded, with Herman Hellman and Bernard Cohn, a grocery store, Hellman Haas & Company, which would eventually become today's Smart and Final stores. Their daughter, this is Abraham's daughter Ruth, married Philip Lilienthal, who was a banker and was on the board of directors of several companies, including the Union Ironworks. Side note, Ruth's cousin Alice would marry Philip's cousin Samuel, and their house is now the famed Haas-Lilienthal house that is home to San Francisco Heritage.

Nicole: Now you're getting a pretty good, like [00:10:00] idea of how all of these pioneering Jewish families just married within each other. Very gilded age, you know, like that show on, I don't remember what, about New York Society. Okay so we're just gonna keep running through the, this circle. Fannie and Abraham's son, Walter Haas Sr. went to work for Levi Strauss where he eventually became president of the company. And it probably didn't hurt that he married Elise Stern, Sigmund Stern's daughter and great-niece of Levi Strauss. Yes, the Stern of Stern Grove, that's who we're talking about. And Walter and Elise's son, Walter Jr. later became president of Levi Strauss and owned the Oakland A’s baseball team from 1980 till his death in 1995.

Arnold: And Walter and Elise's daughter Rhoda married Richard Goldman, who founded the Goldman Insurance and Risk Management Company and became a billionaire. Richard and Rhoda established the Goldman Environmental Prize in 1990 and their Richard and Rhoda [00:11:00] Goldman Fund is a major philanthropic organization.

Nicole: Yeah, that fund is a big reason why the Conservatory of Flowers was renovated and, and reopened after there was a lot of damage from windstorms too. So, fun fact. Thank you, Richard and Rhoda Goldman. So, this is all a very long way of saying that the Koshland family was well connected as one of San Francisco's first Jewish families who are sometimes referred to as the Gilded Circle, according to Jeanne Abrams in Jewish Women Pioneering the Frontier Trail.

Arnold: Let’s zero in on the key Koshland for our story here today. And that is Simon Koshland's son Marcus. He worked with his father in 1890. He married Corinne “Cora” Schweitzer, the daughter of Rebecca and Bernard Schweitzer, who founded a successful wholesale firm that sold fancy goods and furnishings called Schweitzer Sachs & Company. This marriage represented the merging of the two powerhouse Jewish mercantile families in town.

Nicole: I love seeing a [00:12:00] business description as fancy goods and furnishings. I don't know what fancy goods are. I have some ideas, but I, I just, I, I just wanna see the inventory of that store. Anywhosit. In 1900, Marcus and Cora and their three children, Daniel, Robert, and Margaret, went on an educational European tour as many wealthy families did in that era. Guess where they stopped on this tour? That’s right listeners, they stopped at Versailles, where Cora absolutely fell in love with Le Petit Trianon, as did I. I was like, I could totally live here. And, you know, when you're a wealthy family in San Francisco, you can make that happen in your own way. So, she loved it so much that after they returned, she wanted to build her own Petit Trianon for her family to live in.

Arnold: And being a wealthy family, they had the means to do so.

Nicole: Yeah, wild.

Arnold: So, Cora hired architect Frank S. Van Trees to design their new home on Washington [00:13:00] Street in what is now the Presidio Heights area. Van Trees was given strict instructions to model the house exactly on the Petit Trianon. The house has a symmetric symmetrical square form, approximately 60 feet wide and 75 feet deep. Also has four Corinthian columns and balustrades on the roof. On the Maple Street side of the house are three art nouveau stained glass windows that were designed by famous artist, writer and writer and sculptor Bruce Porter.

Nicole: Porter is perhaps best known for designing the gardens at the Filoli estate in Woodside. He also designed the landscape for Memorial Stadium in Berkeley, and his stained-glass window designs can be found in churches in a number of California cities, including the Swedenborgian Church on Lyon Street in Presidio Heights that was built in 1895. It's likely that Cora saw the stained-glass windows at the Swedenborgian Church and engaged Porter as a result. And we may have to do a [00:14:00] podcast on that church one day, cause that one is one of the most gorgeous churches in San Francisco.

Arnold: And it is another landmark in the West side. So, construction on the Koshland house started in 1902 and was completed in 1904. It has 22 rooms and nearly 21,000 square feet of room. Among the rooms are an atrium, salon, ballroom, library, and a large second floor living room. Besides the five members of the family, there were seven live-in servants, most of them from foreign countries. The Koshlands celebrated its completion with a Marie Antoinette themed costume ball. The Koshlands had invitations for the event printed in Paris and then hand delivered to the invitees.

Nicole: Epic. And then on April 18th, 1906, what happened Arnold?

Arnold: The Earth did a little shaking.

Nicole: Which means listeners, you have to take a drink now per podcast rules. [00:15:00] So, this caused the house's four columns and much of the cornice and roof balustrades to actually collapse. However, the house was still structurally sound and the Koshlands took in 60 to 80 of their displaced relatives and friends into the mansion. The assemblage used water buckets to haul water from the Presidio and used an indoor fountain to wash up. Wow. So much roughing it. The damage was soon repaired, and the family added a five-car garage in 1909. Naturally. And in 1912, the Koshlands hired design company, Vickery, Atkins, and Torrey, to create a greenhouse and additional rooms above the garage.

Arnold: Now Cora was a noted local philanthropist raising and giving monies for the Opera, Symphony, and her synagogue, Temple Emanu-el, where Marcus was a trustee. In fact, Cora was an instrumental part in establishing both the San Francisco Symphony and the San Francisco Opera. [00:16:00] Seems fitting that two of the women closely associated with the Petit Trianon, Madame de Pompadour and Cora Koshland were both major patrons of the arts.

Nicole: Women get it done, man. Every Hanukkah from 1928 to 1940, Temple Emanu-el's cantor, Reuben Rinder, produced musicals in the ballroom at the Koshland House. Yehudhi Menuchin, the famous violinist who performed with the San Francisco Symphony at age, the age of seven in 1923, also performed at the Koshland House as a child. And I hope I got somewhat close to pronouncing his name correctly. Someone else who performed there was Isaac Stern, perhaps an even more celebrated violinist who was also a child prodigy. And other notable house guests include Leonard Bernstein and Igor Stravinsky.

Arnold: The Koshlands opened their home for various soirees, charitable events, and sometimes weddings over the years that were often [00:17:00] featured in the society pages of the papers. Among these festive occasions was a 1913 Louis the 15^th-themed ball to celebrate the visit of cousins from Boston. At that affair, Marcus and Cora dressed up as Louis the 15th and Marie Antoinette. And I think they may, may have made some kind of mistake there, either in the reporting or in what Marcus and his wife were doing, because Marie Antoinette was married to Louis the 16th, not Louis the 15th. But anyway.

Nicole: Close enough.

Arnold: There was a performance of French pantomime, much dancing and a midnight dinner.

Nicole: And that always cracks me up when rich people dress up like Marie Antoinette. Because I'm like, you guys, maybe it didn't go great for her being rich and tone deaf. Like I don't, you know, far, far be it for me to criticize people's behaviors. [00:18:00] Anyways. So, which isn't to discount all the good that the Koshlands did. Okay, so on Saturday, February 2nd, 1918, they also hosted Bay Area Army and Navy officers at an open house, which was part of a series of open house events at wealthy homes in San Francisco. The Koshland House was decorated with flowers and featured their daughter Margaret, as an additional hostess and, I quote, “a number of belles of the younger set.” End quote. So, yeah, you know, a lot of these officers were mostly single, so you know, World War I, it was still like very exciting to meet an officer. I think that was true through the ‘80s, but, you know, far be it, I'm not, I'm not on the trying to hook me an officer single scene. So, I don't know what the action is there these days. But anyways, in 1921 also, Cora hosted events at her home to raise money for starving children in post-World War I Europe and American kindergartens in France. So, Cora [00:19:00] was using this home to do a lot of good.

Arnold: Indeed she was, but unfortunately, after a long illness, Marcus Koshland passed away on March 29th, 1925 at the age of 67. In his will, Marcus left $5,000 to the Federation of Jewish Charities. Otherwise, Cora received half of his estate and their three children split the other half. Although not a requirement, Marcus's will asked that his wife and children continue to support the charities that he contributed to throughout his life. And in his name, Cora and the children commissioned the creation of an Ark of the Covenant for Temple Emanu-el that was very highly regarded as an art object at that time. Maybe still is today. I don't know.

Nicole: Which makes me realize we really messed up by not asking Judy Leff to be part of this podcast. Judy, if you're listening, I'm so sorry. We literally wrote these notes today, so like…

Arnold: And feel free to write in and tell us more [00:20:00] about any of this stuff.

Nicole: I see you, Judy. I, I can feel you. I can feel you. I'm so sorry. Thereafter, Cora continued to host events, concerts, charitable committees, and renowned guests such as Spanish conductor E. Fernandez Arbos, English conductor Basil Cameron, Austrian harpsichordist, Alice Ehlers, Polish pianist Jakob Gimpel, composer Ernest Bloch, and pianist, Adele Marcus. She also served on various committees for the Musical Association and the League of Women Voters. Frankly, it appears that Cora opened her home to some kind of event nearly every month until about 1950. And frankly, Arnold, I think you made that sentence purposefully hard just to see if I could get through it.

Arnold: I did not know where it would fall in the podcast. Whether it'd be a paragraph for you or a paragraph for me. But…

Nicole: That was, that was a wild group of words. [00:21:00]

Arnold: Or names. Anyways, after three years of failing health, Cora died on October 14th, 1953. Howard Skinner, who is director of the San Francisco Symphony and Opera Associations declared that, quote, “the passing of Cora S. Koshland is a tremendous loss. Her influence and example have been a cultural asset to this community for many years. Mrs. Koshland was a woman of great warmth and simplicity, whose kindness and wonderful spirit of cooperation will be gratefully and affectionately recalled by her host of friends.” End quote, Cora was 86 years old at the time of her death, and the Koshland House was left in equal shares to her three children.

Nicole: The children eventually decided to sell the family mansion. On March 23rd, 1955, it was sold to financier Walter Beck, who also owned the American Distilling Company, and his wife Emily, for approximately a $100,000. Which is mind blowing. [00:22:00] They did some remodeling of the house, including creating card rooms in the basement and painting the mahogany library white.

Arnold: A big no-no.

Nicole: PSA, if you buy a beautiful house with original paneling, wood paneling, don't paint it white. Don't paint it white.

Arnold: Then, in 1975, the Koshland House was sold again, this time for $675,000 to Paul Renne, a neighbor. Renne purchased the mansion to prevent it from being sold to developers. In 1982, gallery owner Heidi Betz and art collector Charles Pankow bought the Koshland House for reportedly somewhere between $1.5 million and $2.75 million. It was later owned by Halsey Minor, the internet pioneer, who helped found such companies as CNET, Live Planet, and Salesforce. [00:23:00] However, his expensive tastes, a post-divorce spending spree, and his depression led him to file for bankruptcy in 2013, and he lost the house in a bankruptcy sale. In 2019, it was on the market again this time for $30 million. But it's unclear who, if anyone purchased it. There's a deeded of trust for a mortgage company that was recorded on the property in 2020, but I wasn't able to find out who actually owns the house now.

Nicole: Listeners, do one of you own the house? I feel like that's not really our podcast demographic, but you know what, email us and let us know if you know. So, on July 9th, 1977, the Koshland House was designated as San Francisco Historic Landmark #95. And seven years later, on January 5th, 1984, it was further added to the National Register of Historic Places. It was cited as being historically significant in the areas of art, architecture, and [00:24:00] performing art. So, there you have it, a historic replica of famous French building in the Outside Lands. Who knew there were two French influenced places here on the West side?

Arnold: I did not before this podcast.

Nicole: There's probably way more.

Arnold: Maybe. This all leads us to…Say What Now?

Nicole: Oh. So, Arnold was like, you can do it, the graceful hand gesture. So, the Koshland House is not the only replica of Le Petit Trianon. Perhaps the grandest is the Nemours Estate in Wilmington, Delaware. This one actually makes sense. It was built by Alfred du Pont—yes, that du Pont of the du Pont Chemical Company—for his wife, which also seems to be a theme here. And the du Ponts are actually French. In fact, this is a tangent, but stay with me. The scion of the du Ponts in America was Pierre Samuel du Pont, an economist who ran with a group of other economists [00:25:00] called the physiocrats, whose patron was…

Arnold: Dun, dun, dun!

Nicole: Madame de Pompadour.

Arnold: There's actually another notable Trianon replica in downtown San Jose. Built in 1923, it's a performing arts venue and also a popular rental space for private events. I'll bet weddings take place there.

Nicole: I mean, there are even more replicas or buildings inspired by Le Petit Trianon across the country, including the, the Kentucky Governor's mansion. There's also a town in Kentucky called, or named after Versailles, but it's pronounced, Ver-sails. God bless America. What is going on there, Kentucky? They're like, make it like Versailles, but make it American. Others include Byers Hall at Yale University, the International Museum of [00:26:00] Surgical Science in Chicago, and the City Hall of Eau Claire, Wisconsin.

Arnold: And if you know any more of these around the U.S., please send us some listener mail, which it's time for now.

Nicole: I'm laughing because Chelsea wrote that Say What Now for us and she included her own side comments, which we hadn't read until we read it live. She’s like, what is this? Oh my god, you know what? Say what you want about Western Neighborhoods Project Arnold, we're a group of really nerdy people who just like to have fun with each other.

Arnold: Hey, history can be a very fun thing.

Nicole: Oh my gosh, a million people have sent me this reel on Instagram that's, that's this guy being like, history is just gossip for nerds. And I was like, I have never identified more with, [00:27:00] with an internet thing than this.

Arnold: And this podcast does seem pretty gossipy.

Nicole: Yeah. We had listener mail one time that was like, I feel like they're telling me secrets. Why I love the podcast. I was like, we are. No one would know about this nonsense if we didn't spend hours reading it and sharing it with you. Anyways, on that note Arnold, how does one send us listener mail?

Arnold: It is always very simple. You send an email to podcast@outsidelands.org. And you can also take advantage of our social media presence on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and post podcast comments there because we tend to post the podcast on those sites. Not all the time, but most of the time.

Nicole: Maybe we'll be on TikTok and Threads soon. I don't know. Our young volunteer, Drew Moss, thinks we should be. Takes deep breath. [00:28:00]

Arnold: You know, to quote the great Lieutenant Murtaugh in the Lethal Weapon series, “I'm too old for this,” insert curse word.

Nicole: Oh lord. We're quoting Lethal Weapons now. God help us. Okay, so back to listener mail. In response to our recent podcast about Odd Fellows Cemetery by Lone Mountain, our good friends at the San Francisco Cable Car Museum posted on Twitter that, I quote, “S.F cemeteries in that area, and others are a great story. Grandpa was buried at Cavalry Catholic on Geary. Cable cars ran all through that area.” End to quote. The good folks over there have recently been celebrating the 150th anniversary of the first San Francisco cable car. If you haven't been before, you should absolutely visit their museum at 1201 Mason Street. And, you know, you should also become a WNP member, [00:29:00] but also an extra shout out for them. They are the nicest people. Like these, when we, when we were trying to get all that stuff from the Cliff House, they were one of the first organizations to fund us. They gave us a significant contribution. So, we couldn't have done the Cliff House collection without them. And they just like, just good folks. So yes, go support them.

Arnold: They also have a great Twitter feed.

Nicole: Oh, I'm not on the Twitters. Are we still allowed to call it that?

Arnold: Good question. I don't know.

Nicole: I'm not sure either. I'm sure that hearing that word, cause I'm sure Elon Musk religiously listens to the Outside Lands podcast, I, I wonder if he hears that word and he's just like, oh, dagnabit.

Arnold: So, let's get into the benefits of membership and donating, which Nicole, they are what?

Nicole: Oh gosh. They're myriad benefits. You get a quarterly membership [00:30:00] magazine. You get discounts on events and other exclusive perks. But you know Arnold, that membership which you can activate or renew by clickity, clickity, clacking on the big orange button, literally on any page of our websites, outsidelands.org and OpenSFHistory.org. It supports all the work that we don't charge for. Right? Like this podcast is not behind a paywall. We have the OpenSFHistory archive, which you can download super high-resolution images for free. We don't care what you do with it. Also, please don't tell us. Cause legally we can't really know. I mean like stay in fair use. The Cliff House collection, it's care and exhibition, which is insane. And so many other things. You know, we're just out there hustling for history and every donation that is made, even if it's just $5, it really helps us do the work. So, thank you to all the members who are members, and thank you if this section of the podcast finally guilted you into throwing [00:31:00] us $5.

Arnold: And now it's time for announcements. And we've got some great stuff coming up, don't we, Nicole?

Nicole: Oh my god. We're exhausted here. Board member Lindsey Hanson and our friend Gary Parks are hard at work curating our next window exhibition, all about the Alexandria Theater to celebrate its 100th anniversary. We'll be sharing the landmark's history and what's happening with its preservation, highlighting all the people and nonprofits fighting to save this old gal right now. You know, we're, we're not, we're not an advocacy organization. We're not a preservation organization per se. But like, and we normally don't step into these debates, but the Alexandria is right next door and what's happening with it is not okay. Like, personally, Nicole Meldahl is saying it's not okay. WNP doesn't have an opinion. And think the fight's getting spicy too, with Supervisor Connie Chan leading the way to get the building landmarked [00:32:00] against the property's wishes. So, we're keeping an eye on it and supporting groups like the San Francisco Neighborhood Theater Foundation and San Francisco Heritage, who are in the business of protecting spaces like this. So, keep an eye for a lot of Alexandria stuff. We've got walks and some epic events coming your way. I am so excited for Shipwreck Week. We're gonna have happy hours at the Riptide. We're gonna have shanty singers from San Francisco Maritime. There's gonna be merch. There's gonna be exclusive illustration drops. We're gonna have. I mean, anything you can possibly imagine related to shipwrecks. It's gonna be happening in October. It's…

Arnold: We’re gonna have podcasts about shipwrecks.

Nicole: We got podcasts. I'm, we're, we're doing it friends. And we can't wait to celebrate. Well celebrate shipwrecks. Doesn't sound great, but…

Arnold: Commemorate.

Nicole: Yes, I've even been [00:33:00] researching nautical themed dresses, so, one of which looks like a potato sack, so maybe I'll come as a nautical potato.

Arnold: Anyway, that's all gonna be happening in October. We got other events in September. You can find out all the details on our website outsidelands.org/events. You can also, on our website, sign up for our monthly newsletter. And be sure to join over 400 followers of our Eventbrite page. And join our monthly email list, so you can become the first to know of any new event when it gets posted. In fact, if you're on our Eventbrite list, we'll get, it'll get, the event’ll get posted to Eventbrite and you'll get an email right away telling you about that event.

Nicole: Yeah. And if you can't get Eventbrite emails, just for the record, I can't do anything about that, that's a personal email setting. I'm sorry. We're normally here for you, but I really can't [00:34:00] control that. Anyways. Arnold, what's our preview for next week?

Arnold: Well, do we have a preview for next week?

Nicole: I don't know what we're doing.

Arnold: We generally don't know what we're doing week to week, but we are working on several things, so stick around. Tune in next week, see what we come up with.

Nicole: Hi, we're Western Neighborhoods Project, we don't generally know we're doing each week. That's one of the truest sentences I've ever heard. Okay. But we always have fun doing it. Until next time, I'm Nicole Meldahl.

Arnold: And I'm Arnold Woods.

Nicole: And this has been another episode of Outside Lands San Francisco. Thanks for being with us history friends.

Ian: Outside Lands San Francisco is recorded by Ian Hadley. Content creation and media production at ihadley.com.

Nicole: To learn more about the Western Neighborhoods Project and more on San Francisco history, go to Outsidelands.org. You can also find us on social media at [00:35:00] Facebook, which is outsidelands with an S, at Twitter, which is outsidelandz with a Z, and on Instagram, which is outsidelandz, also with a Z. And check out our historic San Francisco images website at OpenSFHistory.org.